""Unfortunately, we are in a situation where even a U.S. Supreme Court Justice spreads false information. Justice Sotomayer stated that 100,000 children are in U.S. hospitals with Covid and many on ventilators. ""
Just shows you how out of touch the left is. Sotomayer is supposed to be an impartial justice. She's not. Instead she's just another rank partisan, one with a lifelong term no less.
It’s ridiculous that judges are appointed on the basis of their political ideology. Her statement was totally out of place because she is not there to give opinions on health. She is there to apply the law according to the Constitution.
I'm 100% terrain these days so don't believe in 'spreading' other than viruses of the mind which seem common. So I put down any malaise similar to flu as a construct of what you've made your body defend itself against and these days most of those come at the end of a needle.
I've been following the Aussie stats with interest. So here are some things you need to know, when trying to figure out about the jab/unjabbed figures:
1) They claim that the ‘majority’ of those in hospital are unvaccinated but is that true? It’s impossible to know. NSW is the only state that publishes the vaccination status of those that are hospitalised, but it puts the unvaccinated together with those who have had their first vaccination jab in the previous three weeks. (info from The Spectator)
2) There was an interesting article on someone's substack (and I am trying now to find which one) about the vax/unvax situation in the elderly. And they pointed out (from memory, this was from actual findings from a while back, before Covid) that in the elderly, it is more likely to be the healthier ones who get vaxxed, because these people are the ones who tend to look after their health in other ways too. (And also perhaps when they are close to being on the way out (eg in a hospice or geriatric ward) the doctors may not administer vaccines for a range of reasons, all connected with relative risk/benefit).
Now, I do not know whether this is true of the CV jabs, which seem to have been granted the status of religious faith. Maybe St Peter is insisting on Vax passports to enter the pearly gates.
But IMO it is likely to be a confounding factor.
That "unvaxxed man in his sixties" who died is unlikely to have been in the pink of health - and his unvaxxed status could well be related more to his health (or lack thereof) than to his ideological refusal.
Mara, I'm unvaxed, am 75 consider myself in good health. Everyone I know who is unvaxed appear to be health, even the seniors. The vaxed seniors (who are unhealthy) tend to take the jab because doctors have convinced them they will die otherwise.
I know this is a lot of people's personal experience.
Me too: I am 69, and an educated refusnik, generally healthy. I don't get the flu vax either - I can't see the point. I knew way back in early 2020 that they had never yet made a successful vax for a CV, and so I was sceptical about this one from the beginning. And even more sceptical as the hype ramped up. And it was evident that proper safety testing had not been done.
But I have had some vaksines that other people may not have, for travel: yellow fever, Hep A + Typhoid. I actively sought these, after some consideration (the YF, which is quite a risky one - but paradoxically it is very clean, with no nasty adjuvants - was for entry from Peru to Bolivia, and getting vaxxed in Oz seemed to be preferable to having to source it at a border clinic in Peru, or else be denied entry.)
So I am not (or was not - the CV jabs have pushed me way into antivaxxer territory!) an anti-vaxxer by principle. I consider myself an informed consumer of medical products!
But we may not be typical of this age cohort. My 4 siblings (all younger than me, the youngest by 12 years, so all still in the same general age group, not yet elderly exactly but heading that way) are all jabbed. By choice. They are all highly intelligent and highly educated (in the best sense). Many of my age peers (friends from personal/professional life) are also jabbed, as a "healthy" choice. That group too includes many very intelligent and educated people.
My 92 y.o. mother also chose to get jabbed - completely pointless, as she is very socially isolated except for me & the occasional visit from one of my siblings, but there you are. My siblings (one in particular) encouraged her to get it, again as a "health" choice.
I thought it was an interesting point, and worth keeping in mind as a possible factor confounding the stats. I don't know how you would find evidence for it, one way or another, but I like to keep an open mind.
And also I think it is important to understand that the evidence might point to a conclusion that goes against your personal experience (and your intuitive conviction).
Mara, you're a youngster. You know, there are different types of intelligence. My wife is an MD, but from the old school when you actually had to doctor. Today, she despairs of many of her colleagues, running set protocols and algorithms. Most of the people I know who took the jab, did so under duress.
As you, I have never taken a flu shot, didn't feel the need for it. I never get the flu. I suppose I have a very robust immune system. Sure things can happen anytime but you can't live your life in fear. I did have the Asian flu back in 1958, was worse than Covid and proportionally killed more people worldwide than Covid. Also it killed many children.
There is no doubt that these "vaccines" are not vaccines because just as many in the hospitals are vaccinated, actually more so with Omicron. But regardless, if it was really a vaccine why should be people be getting the illness that you are purporting to stimulate immunity. It totally doesn't make sense.
I actually wonder if there have been an surveys in Australia to see what percentage of the population is pro vaccine mandates. It would be interesting to see.
I don't think it is actually about intelligence. I think it is about fear...
My siblings & I all grew up within the influence of our father, who was a marine scientist (a scientist of the old school, with a truly enquiring mind). I am the only one (besides him) who studied any biological science, though, so the knowledge base is useful too, in understanding the science of both this illness, and the jabs.
Many of the educated professionals that I know, have also grown up in a world where we mostly trust our government. We know that sometimes, they are corrupt, and when that comes to light, we like to see them punished for it. However, most of us don't truly realise just how corrupt and evil our government has become. Some of us are slowly starting to see - for those with open eyes, these last 2 years have been mind-blowing. But even so, I find it hard to believe what has to be going on - that our governments have sold us into slavery and death camps, with varying degrees of awareness of what they are doing.
The fear mongering has been immense - and systematic.
In the beginning of 2020, we were exposed to leaked videos and information from China, that hinted at a very scary and unknown illness. We know now that much of this was fake, deliberate misinformation from China. However, our governments fanned the flames... some of us following the medical information that was also coming out (there have been some excellent YT channels) and the information about HCQ being an effective early treatment was very reassuring to me. And later, the same with IVM. So for me, knowledge was a good antidote to fear. However, for those who trusted government "experts", there was no antidote available (to the disease, or to the fear).
People in Australia, as a majority, now hold the belief that it was the actions of our governments - the lockdowns, the quarantines, the closure of borders - that have led to us being relatively unaffected by covid.
Never mind that we had lots of Chinese people here, travelling to and from China over that summer of 2019-20 - and undoubtedly we did have covid here, unidentified - but it never took off.
People say to me, "But we might have had the same thing happening here as was happening in the US/Italy/Victoria..."
It is superstitious thinking, pure and simple - but that is how human minds work.
Until you realise something that makes you question it...
I was at the Perth rally this afternoon. It’s interesting being in the presecne of so many like-minded people. It’s almost hard to believe that there is another world—those that are in lockstep with the government edicts.
Yes the fear factor has been at work and governments can exploit that emotion to get people to do almost anything. I think there is more mistrust now of government as the the falsehoods come out.
In Eastern Australia, Covid is ramping up exponentially. Western Australia is in unique situation. It has been cut off from the rest of the country for a long time. In addition, WA has the lowest population density of any jurisdiction in the world. As long as we keep the place close off Covid won’t erupt. At some stage though, we will get Omicron, regardless of how many shots one takes.
I predicted that when Covid disappears or becomes endemic, they will say that it’s due to the vaccines, and a certain segment of the popularion will buy it.
""Unfortunately, we are in a situation where even a U.S. Supreme Court Justice spreads false information. Justice Sotomayer stated that 100,000 children are in U.S. hospitals with Covid and many on ventilators. ""
Just shows you how out of touch the left is. Sotomayer is supposed to be an impartial justice. She's not. Instead she's just another rank partisan, one with a lifelong term no less.
It’s ridiculous that judges are appointed on the basis of their political ideology. Her statement was totally out of place because she is not there to give opinions on health. She is there to apply the law according to the Constitution.
7/9 and 10/12 (including the retired judges) are Catholic as well. Not just being appointed on politics I'd suggest.
Although ....
I'm 100% terrain these days so don't believe in 'spreading' other than viruses of the mind which seem common. So I put down any malaise similar to flu as a construct of what you've made your body defend itself against and these days most of those come at the end of a needle.
I've been following the Aussie stats with interest. So here are some things you need to know, when trying to figure out about the jab/unjabbed figures:
1) They claim that the ‘majority’ of those in hospital are unvaccinated but is that true? It’s impossible to know. NSW is the only state that publishes the vaccination status of those that are hospitalised, but it puts the unvaccinated together with those who have had their first vaccination jab in the previous three weeks. (info from The Spectator)
2) There was an interesting article on someone's substack (and I am trying now to find which one) about the vax/unvax situation in the elderly. And they pointed out (from memory, this was from actual findings from a while back, before Covid) that in the elderly, it is more likely to be the healthier ones who get vaxxed, because these people are the ones who tend to look after their health in other ways too. (And also perhaps when they are close to being on the way out (eg in a hospice or geriatric ward) the doctors may not administer vaccines for a range of reasons, all connected with relative risk/benefit).
Now, I do not know whether this is true of the CV jabs, which seem to have been granted the status of religious faith. Maybe St Peter is insisting on Vax passports to enter the pearly gates.
But IMO it is likely to be a confounding factor.
That "unvaxxed man in his sixties" who died is unlikely to have been in the pink of health - and his unvaxxed status could well be related more to his health (or lack thereof) than to his ideological refusal.
Mara, I'm unvaxed, am 75 consider myself in good health. Everyone I know who is unvaxed appear to be health, even the seniors. The vaxed seniors (who are unhealthy) tend to take the jab because doctors have convinced them they will die otherwise.
I know this is a lot of people's personal experience.
Me too: I am 69, and an educated refusnik, generally healthy. I don't get the flu vax either - I can't see the point. I knew way back in early 2020 that they had never yet made a successful vax for a CV, and so I was sceptical about this one from the beginning. And even more sceptical as the hype ramped up. And it was evident that proper safety testing had not been done.
But I have had some vaksines that other people may not have, for travel: yellow fever, Hep A + Typhoid. I actively sought these, after some consideration (the YF, which is quite a risky one - but paradoxically it is very clean, with no nasty adjuvants - was for entry from Peru to Bolivia, and getting vaxxed in Oz seemed to be preferable to having to source it at a border clinic in Peru, or else be denied entry.)
So I am not (or was not - the CV jabs have pushed me way into antivaxxer territory!) an anti-vaxxer by principle. I consider myself an informed consumer of medical products!
But we may not be typical of this age cohort. My 4 siblings (all younger than me, the youngest by 12 years, so all still in the same general age group, not yet elderly exactly but heading that way) are all jabbed. By choice. They are all highly intelligent and highly educated (in the best sense). Many of my age peers (friends from personal/professional life) are also jabbed, as a "healthy" choice. That group too includes many very intelligent and educated people.
My 92 y.o. mother also chose to get jabbed - completely pointless, as she is very socially isolated except for me & the occasional visit from one of my siblings, but there you are. My siblings (one in particular) encouraged her to get it, again as a "health" choice.
I thought it was an interesting point, and worth keeping in mind as a possible factor confounding the stats. I don't know how you would find evidence for it, one way or another, but I like to keep an open mind.
And also I think it is important to understand that the evidence might point to a conclusion that goes against your personal experience (and your intuitive conviction).
I will try to find the reference.
Mara, you're a youngster. You know, there are different types of intelligence. My wife is an MD, but from the old school when you actually had to doctor. Today, she despairs of many of her colleagues, running set protocols and algorithms. Most of the people I know who took the jab, did so under duress.
As you, I have never taken a flu shot, didn't feel the need for it. I never get the flu. I suppose I have a very robust immune system. Sure things can happen anytime but you can't live your life in fear. I did have the Asian flu back in 1958, was worse than Covid and proportionally killed more people worldwide than Covid. Also it killed many children.
There is no doubt that these "vaccines" are not vaccines because just as many in the hospitals are vaccinated, actually more so with Omicron. But regardless, if it was really a vaccine why should be people be getting the illness that you are purporting to stimulate immunity. It totally doesn't make sense.
I actually wonder if there have been an surveys in Australia to see what percentage of the population is pro vaccine mandates. It would be interesting to see.
I don't think it is actually about intelligence. I think it is about fear...
My siblings & I all grew up within the influence of our father, who was a marine scientist (a scientist of the old school, with a truly enquiring mind). I am the only one (besides him) who studied any biological science, though, so the knowledge base is useful too, in understanding the science of both this illness, and the jabs.
Many of the educated professionals that I know, have also grown up in a world where we mostly trust our government. We know that sometimes, they are corrupt, and when that comes to light, we like to see them punished for it. However, most of us don't truly realise just how corrupt and evil our government has become. Some of us are slowly starting to see - for those with open eyes, these last 2 years have been mind-blowing. But even so, I find it hard to believe what has to be going on - that our governments have sold us into slavery and death camps, with varying degrees of awareness of what they are doing.
The fear mongering has been immense - and systematic.
In the beginning of 2020, we were exposed to leaked videos and information from China, that hinted at a very scary and unknown illness. We know now that much of this was fake, deliberate misinformation from China. However, our governments fanned the flames... some of us following the medical information that was also coming out (there have been some excellent YT channels) and the information about HCQ being an effective early treatment was very reassuring to me. And later, the same with IVM. So for me, knowledge was a good antidote to fear. However, for those who trusted government "experts", there was no antidote available (to the disease, or to the fear).
People in Australia, as a majority, now hold the belief that it was the actions of our governments - the lockdowns, the quarantines, the closure of borders - that have led to us being relatively unaffected by covid.
Never mind that we had lots of Chinese people here, travelling to and from China over that summer of 2019-20 - and undoubtedly we did have covid here, unidentified - but it never took off.
People say to me, "But we might have had the same thing happening here as was happening in the US/Italy/Victoria..."
It is superstitious thinking, pure and simple - but that is how human minds work.
Until you realise something that makes you question it...
I was at the Perth rally this afternoon. It’s interesting being in the presecne of so many like-minded people. It’s almost hard to believe that there is another world—those that are in lockstep with the government edicts.
Yes the fear factor has been at work and governments can exploit that emotion to get people to do almost anything. I think there is more mistrust now of government as the the falsehoods come out.
In Eastern Australia, Covid is ramping up exponentially. Western Australia is in unique situation. It has been cut off from the rest of the country for a long time. In addition, WA has the lowest population density of any jurisdiction in the world. As long as we keep the place close off Covid won’t erupt. At some stage though, we will get Omicron, regardless of how many shots one takes.
I predicted that when Covid disappears or becomes endemic, they will say that it’s due to the vaccines, and a certain segment of the popularion will buy it.