However, if I were pushed up against a wall to the point of succumbing to a mandate (eg for my job) I would choose Novovax over any of the other 3 available in Australia. Because while they all zap you with CV spike protein, at least with NV it is a single measured dose, which should be easier to mitigate. With the mRNA shots (Moderna & Pfizer) the spike protein seems to be produced in an uncontrolled way, with no stop point. The mRNA has been engineered to last much longer than the normal few hours that natural mRNA lasts in your body, and meanwhile, it just keeps on producing spike protein.
AZ seems to be somewhere in the middle - still hijacking your own cell machinery to produce spike protein, but not quite as aggressively.
Notice that I am not comparing these re effectiveness - because I am more & more of the (science based) belief that a vax against a coronavirus is never going to work. We knew this going into 2020 - it didn't stop any of the hype, but eventually it will become obvious even to the confirmed vax believers.
Let's just hope it happens before too many people die.
I agree, Mara. You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes. I feel really sad that young people with families have to choose between a jab they don't want or their job. My son was put in that position, took the shots. After the second one, he developed some left-sided chest pain. Is off for Echocardiogram on Tuesday.
The problem with these rushed injections is that they have had no long term testing. I'm old enough to remember much less dangerous ones taken off the market, yet they just push on with these. I suppose once Novavax is tested on the millions, we'll know the reactions. I have heard a couple of scientists state that they don't expect the Novavax to have a different outcome as it's the spike protein that is the issue. The most logical vaccine would be a whole virus attenuated one. Also less likely to induce mutations.
What virus, Ely? There is no such thing. Only the discarded material of our bodies. We wouldn't put shit back into our systems (leave that for the dogs to eat)
Oh there are viruses, Rich. When I was in university in the 1960s, we studied virology, including electron microscopy which showed viral images, as they do today.
However, you can look at viruses as something evil, which is what many do, or what they are in reality; something functional that is part of our make-up. They have contributed to our evolution since humanity has been around.
You got me on that one, if you just want one word. They can’t exist without us or other life forms. They need us to replicate, so they exist in a symbiotic relationship with us. That is why they mutate to less pathogenic forms, otherwise, they cease to exist.
Yes only harm. There is no gain. You also have to worry about what is in the lipid. And a hundred years ago we knew that injecting another mammal's blood into us was very harmful. God knows what would happen injecting an insects insides into us will do.
I suggest that we get rid of our billionaire class.
Unfortunately, the billionaire class are transnational. They know no birders, have no allegiance to any nation—except perhaps China. They also have no morality.
I agree with your major conclusions.
However, if I were pushed up against a wall to the point of succumbing to a mandate (eg for my job) I would choose Novovax over any of the other 3 available in Australia. Because while they all zap you with CV spike protein, at least with NV it is a single measured dose, which should be easier to mitigate. With the mRNA shots (Moderna & Pfizer) the spike protein seems to be produced in an uncontrolled way, with no stop point. The mRNA has been engineered to last much longer than the normal few hours that natural mRNA lasts in your body, and meanwhile, it just keeps on producing spike protein.
AZ seems to be somewhere in the middle - still hijacking your own cell machinery to produce spike protein, but not quite as aggressively.
Notice that I am not comparing these re effectiveness - because I am more & more of the (science based) belief that a vax against a coronavirus is never going to work. We knew this going into 2020 - it didn't stop any of the hype, but eventually it will become obvious even to the confirmed vax believers.
Let's just hope it happens before too many people die.
I agree, Mara. You can't put yourself in someone else's shoes. I feel really sad that young people with families have to choose between a jab they don't want or their job. My son was put in that position, took the shots. After the second one, he developed some left-sided chest pain. Is off for Echocardiogram on Tuesday.
The problem with these rushed injections is that they have had no long term testing. I'm old enough to remember much less dangerous ones taken off the market, yet they just push on with these. I suppose once Novavax is tested on the millions, we'll know the reactions. I have heard a couple of scientists state that they don't expect the Novavax to have a different outcome as it's the spike protein that is the issue. The most logical vaccine would be a whole virus attenuated one. Also less likely to induce mutations.
Thanks for your input.
What virus, Ely? There is no such thing. Only the discarded material of our bodies. We wouldn't put shit back into our systems (leave that for the dogs to eat)
Oh there are viruses, Rich. When I was in university in the 1960s, we studied virology, including electron microscopy which showed viral images, as they do today.
However, you can look at viruses as something evil, which is what many do, or what they are in reality; something functional that is part of our make-up. They have contributed to our evolution since humanity has been around.
I think that we agree, it's just that I want a new word for that definition of virus that you just described.
You got me on that one, if you just want one word. They can’t exist without us or other life forms. They need us to replicate, so they exist in a symbiotic relationship with us. That is why they mutate to less pathogenic forms, otherwise, they cease to exist.
In which case our ideas of a virus are similar but different. Agree though that they cease to exist without us. Say in a petri dish?
Yes only harm. There is no gain. You also have to worry about what is in the lipid. And a hundred years ago we knew that injecting another mammal's blood into us was very harmful. God knows what would happen injecting an insects insides into us will do.
I suggest that we get rid of our billionaire class.
Unfortunately, the billionaire class are transnational. They know no birders, have no allegiance to any nation—except perhaps China. They also have no morality.
Agree on all. But where there is will, there is a way.