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KW NORTON's avatar

Good post on the fact we are in the midst of Fascism. Reading great works on Fascism by people like Hanna Arendt helps in defining it further. But basically it has been this as soon as we crossed the line allowing governments, corporations, institutions to work in collusion to attack the Constitutional rights (which the constitution simply acknowledges as being a creator endowed human right) of we the people. Now we simply have more outward proof but it has been going on for a good long time.

https://kwnorton.substack.com/p/fascism-in-america?r=boqs0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Ely's avatar

Yes, and it’s getting worse. You could say that they—the powers that be—are out of control, but in fact, they are in control and know exactly what they are doing.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Yes, they are in control at present and know what they’re doing. We knew these cowards would be utterly dangerous once they felt cornered. I do believe they feel cornered and want to reach out and blame anyone everyone for what they have in fact done. Between the attempts to cover their crimes and lash out in anger it remains in every respect a crisis. High functioning psychopaths are extremely narcissistic.

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Ely's avatar

Absolutely, along with many of their media colleagues.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Fascism is so much better organized than freedom. The revenge of the middle managers.

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John Raymond's avatar

Absolutely 💯.

Great 👍

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Evil Harry's avatar

Voted out of power and then hanged.

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IPA's avatar

Ely, I'm confused. An election in the US that many citizens found unlikely, improbable, suspicious, and disputable, including 1000's of signed depositions by poll workers indicating many unexplained irregularities related to the voting procedures is considered valid by US government authorities. But a referendum in the Russian speaking regions of Ukraine that have already expressed their desire for independence from Ukraine years ago, is considered fraudulent and invalid even though, those affected have not registered complaints about the election process. Could you please explain this contradiction?

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Ely's avatar

The only explanation is that the Democrats practice projection and deflection. So they accuse Republicans of doing what they in fact are doing. But they also rationalize things like the BLM and Antifa riots, burning and mutder as peaceful protests. You cannot engage with such people. Remember Maxine Waters exhorting people to get in peoples’ faces at restaurants, gas stations, etc. If that wasn’t incitement I don’t know what is.

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IPA's avatar

Could you also explain the coincidental state sponsored destruction of the Russian's and German's undersea gas pipeline that occurred at almost the same time as the referendum to join Russia?

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Ely's avatar

Good question. Two possibilities: USA (or U.S. backed state) or eco-terrorists. No rationale for Russia to do it.

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IPA's avatar

Eco-terrorists are very doubtful in my mind. I thought natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuels there is. It's also doubtful in my mind that such an operation could be carried out by people other than those with very sophisticated equipment. It's not an IED type of operation at the bottom of the sea.

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Lou Cassivi's avatar

Thanks, Ely.

One question: re "On September 11, 2001, the weapons used were jetliners." Did you, or anyone you know of, actually see, live and in person, any jetliner hit any of the towers? I only ask because since 9/11 I've been trying to find any evidence of anyone who actually witnessed said airliners hit said towers, apart from seeing what state-run tv showed (shows) us.

And just a comment: we've been living under versions of fascism since day one. As far as we in the Western world are concerned, it certainly predates ww1. Cheers!

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Ely's avatar

So people on the ground didn’t see what they thought they saw? The live feed of the jets hitting the towers were faked? What evidence? Anyway I was making the point of different methodologies of terrorism. Crashing a plane into a building is just one method.

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Lou Cassivi's avatar

Wasn't attempting to start a shitstorm. Perhaps "people on the ground" did see a jet hit a tower. Just that I've neither seen nor heard one of those "people on the ground" (state actor or not) swear/ confirm/ provide any evidence of said jet(s). Until I do, I can only deduce that the state's propaganda arm (MSM) did indeed fake the "live feed." Nuff said.

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IPA's avatar

In all honesty, Ely, the event appears to have been staged. There are just too many anomalies. Things just don't add up when it comes to the official narrative. Joe Banana Brain's election doesn't add up to me. Donald Trump had statistically insurmountable lead around 11:00 PM MST election night.

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Ely's avatar

Oh, I know. I was watching the election results from Australia when they stopped the count around noon our time. I spoke to my wife on the phone and told her that it looks like Trump will be re-elected. She said that’s great. About 2:00 pm the counting was resumed and suddenly everything had flipped. I couldn’t believe it. I called my wife and her response was, “How?” How indeed.

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IPA's avatar

I've heard many people say that the hole in the ground at Shanksville didn't look big enough to fit a commercial airliner, and that there was no evidence of any aircraft debris. I've also heard it said that it looked more like a rather small land fill project. A place where maybe a farm house had been deliberately buried.

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IPA's avatar

I saw videos of Building 7 collapse in perfect symmetry even though it was never hit by a plane. I heard a demolition expert say that the only way a building could fall straight down into its own footprint the way Building 7 did would be for all 90 support columns to be blown out simultaneously at the same moment in time. I noticed in a video the roof of Building 7 collapsed in the form of a perfect parabola just moments before the entire building came to the ground without loosing its perfectly upright geometry. I've never seen a controlled demolition that was as perfect.

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IPA's avatar

I saw a hole in the Pentigon that doesn't match what one would expect from a commercial airliner, and there is very little debris on the surrounding ground, no evidence of engines or other heavy plane parts, no seats or luggage, or bodies for that matter. And I heard people that were working inside the Pentagon say that they walked out through hole, shortly after the blast.

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IPA's avatar

I saw a news report where Jane Sterling of the BBC is standing in front of an intact, but smoking Building 7 and she announces that the building fully collapsed a full 20 minutes before it actually did.

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Ely's avatar

The point of the article wasn’t to verify the veracity of 9/11, but what happened to all those people on those flights? Family members were interviewed about their loved ones being on those flights. So was it all just a scam and everyone was lying?

Take the JFK assassination. I don’t know if you’ve been to Dealey Plaza in Dallas. I’ve been there a few times. It’s hard to imagine that Oswald got 3 quick shots in that time and from that distance with a WW2 rifle, but experts have done re-enactments using lasers and it is possible. The jury is out on that one, but we do know that JFK was killed and the fatal bullet did strike him in the head. Now who was behind it, is still open to debate.

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IPA's avatar

My father test fired the actual rifle alleged to have been used by Oswald, and he told me, (my father told me) that one thing he knew for certain was that the rifle he test fired could not have been used to kill the president. My father was a Special Agent with the Treasury Department and had extremely high scores during annual qualifications with fire arms. In fact he was the only agent during his time that actually qualified with a perfect score. My father's story is corroborated by an FBI agent who was with him who gave an interview to Len Osanick on "Black Ops Radio." The FBI agent stated, "he was with an expert marksman, a Special Agent from the Western States." when they were both test firing the rifle. And on that day, the FBI agent said he out shot my dad.

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Ely's avatar

The thing that always got me is when you see the fatal head shot, the head is thrust backwards as if the bullet had to come from the front. However, forensic pathologists have stated that this is a nervous system reflex. So who knows?

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IPA's avatar

The shot did come from the front. There was a hole in the windshield which was replaced by the Ford Motor Co at the factory In Dearborn, Michigan. It's outlined in Dr. Crenshaw's book and in other sources. Lee Oswald was not a shooter.

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IPA's avatar

It also happens that my grandfather was a "Market Hunter" in the earlier days of the railroads, when wild game was shot and killed in the Midwest and sent packed in ice on the railroads back east to the fancy restaurants in NYC. He was a very good shot and outdoorsman too. He supposedly outshot the World's Champion Trap Shooter one time. I'm old enough to remember steam trains being common place in Colorado when I was a young boy.

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IPA's avatar

Phillip Marshal wrote a book about how improbable, if not completely impossible it would be for Cessna trained pilots to fly a commercial airliner into any target with total precision and no previous practice. Subsequently Phillip Marshall along with his children and family dog were killed in a most improbable, highly unlikely, "murder / suicide".

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IPA's avatar

I saw one video where the nose of the plane goes through the corner of the building and comes out the other side perfectly intact with no observable damage.

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Ely's avatar

Is there a link to the video? Is it possible the plane was moving in front of one tower prior to crashing into the second? How could the nose go into a building, perfectly intact? At that speed there would have to be catastrophic damage.

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IPA's avatar

That's the point. What is portrayed is a physical impossibility. As for links you might be able to track them down yourself on 9/11 sites.

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